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the survivors of narcissism are recounting on this list.
My experiences with narcissists, to me, ARE NORMAL for me. Comfortable
like an old pair of slippers that fit perfectly. I don’t expect many
people to attempt to do this, to ‘make themselves into’ this kind of
person. I don’t think anyone could, if they tried.
It is my need to be engulfed and merged that drives me to these
relationships and when I get those needs met I feel more normal, better
about myself. I am the outer extension of the narcissist. In many ways
I am a vanguard, a public two-way warning system, fiercely defending my
narcissist from harm, and fiercely loyal to him, catering to his every
need in order to protect his fragile existence. These are the dynamics
of my particular version of engulfment. I don’t need anyone to take
care of me. I need only to be needed in this very particular way, by a
narcissist who inevitably possesses the ability to engulf in a way that
normal, fully realised adults cannot. It is somewhat paradoxical - I
feel freer and more independent with a narcissist than without one. I
achieve more in my life when I am in this form of relationship. I try
harder, work harder, am more creative, think better of myself, excel in
most every aspect of my life.”
“…I go ahead and cater to him and pretend that his words don’t hurt,
and later, I engage in an internal fight with myself for being so
damned submissive. It’s a constant battle and I can’t seem to decide
which voice in my head I should listen to… I feel like a fool, yet, I
would rather be a fool with him than a lonely, well-rounded woman
without him. I’ve often said that the only way that we can stay
together is because we feed off of each other. I give him everything he
needs and he takes it. Seeing him happy and pleased is what gives me
pleasure. I feel very successful then.”
Partial NPD
“I do think it’s uncommon for girls to develop these patterns, as they
are usually trained to be self-effacing. I certainly was!
However, I have a lot of the very same underlying patterns that
full-blown, obnoxiously egotistical NP’s have, but I am not egotistical
because I didn’t develop the pattern of inflated Ego and grandiosity.
All the rest of it is there, though: fragile Ego, lack of a centre or
self, super-sensitive to criticism and rejections, pathological,
obsessive envy, comparisons and competitive attitudes toward others, a
belief that everyone in the world is either superior or inferior to me,
and so on.
Sometimes I kind of wish I had developed the inflated Ego of a complete
NP, because then I would at least be able to hide from all the pain I
feel. But at the same time, I’m glad I didn’t, because those people
have a much lower chance of recovery - how can they recover if they
don’t acknowledge anything is wrong? Whereas it’s pretty clear to me I
have problems, and I’ve spent my life working on them and trying to
change myself and heal.”
Narcissist-Non Narcissist
And Narcissist-Inverted Narcissist Couples
“Can a N and a non-N ever maintain a long lasting marriage? It would
seem that a non-N would have too much self-esteem to lend himself to a
lifetime of catering and pandering to an N’s unending need for unearned
adoration and glory. I, as a non-N… got tired of these people and
their unremitting attempts to drain my psyche within a relatively short
period of time and abandoned them as soon as I realised what I was
dealing with to preserve my own sanity.”
“It depends on the non-narcissist, really. Narcissism is a RIGID,
systemic pattern of responses. It is so all-pervasive and
all-encompassing that it is a PERSONALITY disorder. If the
non-narcissist is codependent, for instance, then the narcissist is a
perfect match for him and the union will last…”
“You have to pimp for the narcissist, intellectually, and sexually. If
your narcissist is somatic, you are much better off lining up the sex
partners than leaving it to him. Intellectual pimping is more varied.
You can think of wonderful things and then subtly string out the idea,
in the most delicate of packages and watch the narcissist cogitate
their way to ‘their’ brilliant discovery whilst you bask in the glow of
their perfection and success…
The point of this entire exercise is to assure YOUR supply, which is
the narcissist himself, not to punish yourself by giving away a great
idea or abase yourself because, of course, YOU are not worthy of having
such a great idea on your own - but who knows, it may seem that way to
the inverted narcissist. It really depends on how self-aware the
inverted is.”
“The only rejection you need to fear is the possibility of losing the
narcissist and if one is doing everything else right, this is very
unlikely to happen! So by ‘emotionally independent’ I am talking about
being self-assured, doing your own thing, having a life, feeling strong
and good about yourself, getting emotional sustenance from other
people. I mean, let’s face it, a drug is a drug is a habit. Habits just
are, and what they ARE NOT are the be all and end all of love,
commitment and serene symmetrical, balanced emotional perfection that
is the ideal of the romanticised ‘love-for-a-lifetime’ all-American
relationship dream.”
“(I am) terribly turned on by narcissists. The most exciting moments of
my life in every venue have been with narcissists. It is as if living
and loving with normal people is a grey thing by comparison, not
fuelled by sufficient adrenaline. I feel like a junkie, now, that I no
longer permit myself the giddy pleasure of the RUSH I used to know when
I was deeply and hopelessly involved with an N. I am like a
lotus-eater. And I always felt guilty about this and also sorry that I
ever succumbed that first time to my first narcissist lover.”
“I am exactly this way and I feel exactly as you do, that the world is
a sepia motion picture but when I am intimately involved with a
narcissist, it breaks out into three-dimensional Technicolor and I can
see and feel in ways that are not available to me otherwise. In my case
I developed this (inverted narcissism) as a result of being the
favourite of my father who so completely absorbed me into his
personality that I was not able to develop a sense of separation. So I
am stuck in this personality matrix of needing to be engulfed, adored
by and completely taken over by a narcissist in my life. In turn, I
worship, defend, regulate and procure Narcissistic Supply for my
narcissist. It is like the mould and the moulded.”
“In my case, I realise that while I can’t stop loving my current
narcissist, it isn’t necessary for me to avoid as long as I can
understand. In my way of looking at it, he is deserving of love, and
since I can give him love without it hurting me, then as long as he
needs it, he shall have it.”
“My personal theory is that dogmatic religious culture is a retarding
influence on the growth and maturation of those heavily involved - more
and more autonomy (and hence personal responsibility) seems to be
blithely sacrificed to the group mind/spirit. It is as though the
church members become one personality and that personality is
narcissistic and the individual just folds under the weight of that
kind of group pressure - particularly if you are a child.”
“If I displayed behaviour that made my XXX look good to others, I was
insipidly overvalued. When I dared be something other than who she
wanted me to be, the sarcastic criticism and total devaluation was
unbelievable. So, I learned to be all things to all people. I get a
heavenly high from surrendering my power to a narcissist, to catering
to them, in having them overvalue and need me, and it is the only time
that I truly feel alive…”
“We have very little choice in all of this. We are as vacant and warped
as the narcissist. XXX is wont to say, ‘I don’t HAVE a personality
disorder, I AM a personality disorder.’ It defines who we are and how
we will respond. You will always and ONLY have real feelings when you
are with a narcissist. It is your love map, it is the programming
within your psyche. Does it need to control your behaviour? Not
necessarily. Knowing what you are can at least give you the opportunity
to forecast the effect of an action before you take it. So, loveless
black and white may be the very healthiest thing for you for the
foreseeable future. I tend to think of these episodes with narcissists
as being cyclic. You will likely need to cut loose for a while when
your child is older.
DO NOT feel ashamed please! Should a physically handicapped person feel
ashamed of their handicap? No and neither should we. The trouble with
us is that we are fooled into thinking that these relationships are
‘guilty pleasures’. They feel so very good for a time but they are more
akin to addiction satisfaction rather than being the ‘right match’ or
an ‘appropriate relationship’. I am still very conflicted myself about
this. I wrote a few months ago that it was like having a caged very
dangerous animal inside of me. When I get near narcissists, the animal
smells its own kind and it wants out. I very carefully ‘micro-manage’
my life. This means that I daily do fairly regular reality checks and
keep a very tight reign on my self and my behaviours. I am also
obsessive-compulsive.”
“I feel as though I’m constantly on an emotional roller coaster. I may
wake up in a good mood, but if my N partner does or says something,
which is hurtful to me, my mood changes immediately. I now feel sad,
empty, afraid. All I want to do at this point is anything that will
make him say something NICE to me.
Once he does, I’m back on top of the world. This pattern of mood
changes, or whatever you may call them, can take place several times a
day. Each and every day. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m not sure
that I can trust myself to feel any one way, because I know that I have
no control over myself. He has the control. It’s scary, yet I’ve sort
of come to depend on him determining how I am going to feel.”
“When I was first involved with my cerebral narcissist I was like this
but after awhile I just learned to become more emotionally distant (the
ups and downs were just too much) and find emotional gratification with
other people, mostly girl friends and one of two male friends. I make a
point of saying … that the invert must be or become emotionally and
financially independent (if you don’t do this he will eat you up and
when he has finished with you and you are nothing but a husk, you will
be expelled from his life in one big vomit). It is really important for
you to start to take responsibility for your own emotional wellness
without regard to how he treats you. Remember that the narcissist has
the emotional maturity of a two-year old! Don’t expect much in the way
of emotional depth or support in your relationship - he simply is not
capable of anything that sophisticated.”
(*) Alice Ratzlaff, graduate of Queen’s University School of Law,
Kingston, Ontario, Canada practices child protection
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